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01-14-2020 11:53 PM
johnnycake
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Originally Posted by Dexter View Post
My apologies to johnnycake and gdog for failing the spelling bee on how to spell Drahthaar 🤭, and the statement about GWP as Drathwar after passing a vigorous test. I didn't realize that my phone autocorrected, my bad. Also my bad for not doing further research myself on how the dog originated. (The Verein Deutsch Drahthaar is the breed’s parent club in Germany. Dogs bred under the VDD breeding regulations are called “Deutsch Drahthaars” to differentiate them from those bred outside the VDD under other registries such as the North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association or the American Kennel Club. Beyond that, the German wirehaired pointer and the Deutsch Drahthaar are essentially the same.)

There is a good article on gun dog breed profiles at gundogmag.com

What ever you choose for your next pup have fun building life long memories with it.
Just razzin ya a bit! I enjoy poking fun at the DD guys as they tend to make a big distinctions between DDs and GWPs. Whereas GWP owners typically say exactly what you said.

Doesn't matter, both of 'em are just pudelpointers muddled up with some other breeds to try to make them a bit meaner, nuttier and uglier
01-14-2020 10:39 PM
Dexter My apologies to johnnycake and gdog for failing the spelling bee on how to spell Drahthaar 🤭, and the statement about GWP as Drathwar after passing a vigorous test. I didn't realize that my phone autocorrected, my bad. Also my bad for not doing further research myself on how the dog originated. (The Verein Deutsch Drahthaar is the breed’s parent club in Germany. Dogs bred under the VDD breeding regulations are called “Deutsch Drahthaars” to differentiate them from those bred outside the VDD under other registries such as the North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association or the American Kennel Club. Beyond that, the German wirehaired pointer and the Deutsch Drahthaar are essentially the same.)

There is a good article on gun dog breed profiles at gundogmag.com

What ever you choose for your next pup have fun building life long memories with it.
01-14-2020 12:34 PM
caddis8 Matt, great questions.

This is a good group of folks to ask and there's a lot of people who know their stuff.

Rather than opine on breeds- yet- I'd ask a couple of questions.

What is your living situation? House, appartment, condo? Neighbors? Yard space? Time available? Age? Profession? Travel (work/personal) schedule? What are you looking for in a dog? Are you looking for companion first, hunting dog second? Are you looking for family dog in the future? Will the dog be an inside dog/outside/mix dog? Do you want long hair/short hair?

I know what a lot of people are going to say on most of these, is that their preferred breed is perfect for any condition.

I disagree with some of that. Some breeds are born a little higher energy than others. Some are better suited for smaller families without kids. Some are suited to be around people and not left alone. Some are suited to hunt only with you and not with other dogs.

Of course there will be variables in all of these questions. There are some low energy GSP, Brittany, springer folks, but I would say that most of those breeds are high energy. That's not a bad thing, that's just a reality. So they need to have their energy worked/ran out of them every day, or they'll go nuts and do naughty things like chew, pee, bark, dig, etc. Labs will do the same thing, by the way.

I have a pointing lab out of Idaho. He's only 2 and pointing is coming slower for him that I would like. It's there, but it's still a work in progress. I'm ok with that as pointing is more of a bonus for me since I do a lot of goose and pheasant hunting (no chukkar out here darnit). I got a family dog first and a hunting dog second. He is a wonderful family dog and the kids can do anything to him and he loves it. Some don't do that. Some labs don't do that, but I wanted that and worked hard to make that happen with my dogs. They are with the family way more time than they're hunting, so they better have good manners.

That being said, there are lot of breeds that could fit what you're looking for. My dad had a springer when I was little that would do about anything- except point. Then we had Viszla's and they were great upland dogs and horrible waterfowl dogs. They weren't much for retrieving, but would swim the river for a pheasant occassionally. We then had a pointing lab (didn't know it pointed as it was a rescue dog). She was a good dog, but a little mental with fireworks and lightning. My dad now has a pudelpointer/lab mix from one of my buddies whose PP got loose and found the neighbor's lab. She's a small dog, but a pretty good dog. Points well and retrieves.

If my wife would let me have two dogs, I would get a PP. I reached out to a few PP breeders and they wanted some serious money for them. It was out of my budget, so I ended up with a George, our chocolate pointing lab. He's a great looking dog and a wonderful companion. He's intact still, if there is interest in breeding.
01-14-2020 12:05 PM
johnnycake
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Originally Posted by Airborne View Post
A few...but I work in the lumber industry so I can get them cheap!

Technically, those parlor tricks like 'knowing their name' and 'basic obedience training' are nothing but showboating and don't help find birds. My sawdust brained pointers only need to come when the collar goes 'beep', hold a point til I get to them, and cover country like coyote on steriods! This puts birds in the bag.

Maybe you and that 'smart dog' can join the dog clown circus--lot's of really smart dogs jumping through fire rings!
My pudel and I will be at the Salon de Chien getting our mani-pedis while we wait for your apology.
01-14-2020 11:23 AM
Airborne
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Originally Posted by johnnycake View Post
How many broken 2x4s does it take for that high-powered scoped rifle to learn it's name?!
A few...but I work in the lumber industry so I can get them cheap!

Technically, those parlor tricks like 'knowing their name' and 'basic obedience training' are nothing but showboating and don't help find birds. My sawdust brained pointers only need to come when the collar goes 'beep', hold a point til I get to them, and cover country like coyote on steriods! This puts birds in the bag.

Maybe you and that 'smart dog' can join the dog clown circus--lot's of really smart dogs jumping through fire rings!
01-14-2020 10:32 AM
johnnycake
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Originally Posted by Airborne View Post
I highly encourage all Utah upland game hunters to stick with labs, pointing labs, Wirehairs, Snobby wirehairs, poodle pointers, pudel pointers, labradoodles, hypoallergenic anythings, springers, spaniels, boykins, bumpkins, I'll even throw in the Braque Saint-Germain!

Please please keep hunting these 'special' breeds! It makes it easier to have less real competition on the chukar hills.

It's like ya'll are arguing over the best way to handicap yourself...>

Person 1: I like to hunt by tying my shoelases together
Person 2: Are you kidding me! The best way to hunt is if you wear no boots at all!

and on and on it goes! Ya'll are arguing over the best wooden longbow to use when ya can go pick up a highpowered scoped rifle! Keep at it fellas!
How many broken 2x4s does it take for that high-powered scoped rifle to learn it's name?!
01-14-2020 08:39 AM
Airborne I highly encourage all Utah upland game hunters to stick with labs, pointing labs, Wirehairs, Snobby wirehairs, poodle pointers, pudel pointers, labradoodles, hypoallergenic anythings, springers, spaniels, boykins, bumpkins, I'll even throw in the Braque Saint-Germain!

Please please keep hunting these 'special' breeds! It makes it easier to have less real competition on the chukar hills.

It's like ya'll are arguing over the best way to handicap yourself...>

Person 1: I like to hunt by tying my shoelases together
Person 2: Are you kidding me! The best way to hunt is if you wear no boots at all!

and on and on it goes! Ya'll are arguing over the best wooden longbow to use when ya can go pick up a highpowered scoped rifle! Keep at it fellas!
01-13-2020 09:47 PM
gdog
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Originally Posted by johnnycake View Post
I've yet to meet a DD owner that wouldn't choke at that statement!
Didn't choke...just spit up a little
01-13-2020 09:45 PM
gdog
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Originally Posted by Dexter View Post
German wire hair pointers (GWP) also known as Drathwar after passing a vigorous test.
......

and what is a "Drathwar"?
01-13-2020 09:03 PM
johnnycake
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Originally Posted by middlefork View Post
This but who needs more snobs?
Dexter clearly can't be a snob since he said GWPs and Dads are the same I've yet to meet a DD owner that wouldn't choke at that statement!
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