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Old 05-21-2020, 08:38 AM   #1761 (permalink)
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An additional 2.4 million people filed for unemployment last week, totaling 38.6 million since the lockdowns began. 38.6 million!
That is pretty insane. If someone had come to me in November and said 6 months later this would be the case, I'd have had a good chuckle. There were many indicators in the economy that the current level was not sustainable. We've been told by economists for almost two years that they were projecting another recession of some kind. But this? Yeah, this is pretty extreme.

If there is a silver lining in this, Utah reports that a decent number of people are seeking unemployment benefits with "job attached." That means that it is not considered permanent, and these employers are hoping/planning to bring these people back to the work force. Let's hope that happens sooner rather than later!
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:29 AM   #1762 (permalink)
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The economic fallout is grim and I'm guessing it isn't done growing yet. Even with just social distancing measures the hardest hit industries won't be bringing back most of their staff. Restaurants, movie theaters, sporting arenas, etc will all be operating with fewer people if we continue to need to maintain 6 feet.

And that's if they reopen at all. Take sporting events. You can only sell tickets for seats 6 feet apart but how do you control for contact during entry/exit?
Even at an extreme reduction of 80% in seating that would still leave 4-7,000 people inside and likely running into each other for hours at an NBA game.

Hotels? Do they leave rooms vacant for 2-3 days for decontamination? That's a huge reduction in turnover and cleaning crews.

It's not shocking that big events continue to voluntarily cancel worldwide. Even before government intervention much of the economic fallout was voluntary and significant. Mostly in sectors still hit and affected. And then you add into it that many Americans agree with restrictions and many want more; which is likely already translating into opting out of economic activity like movie theaters, non-essential travel, dining in, etc as they reopen.

Local University staff and faculty are being asked to plan on restructuring. Like Vanilla said, the ranges of potential cuts are serious. I'm being told they are likely cutting entire programs and seeking a budget reduction of 20%, and that's just the first round. That will hit every local sector, especially rentals and service. I would be shocked if we ultimately don't see half our locally owned restaurants go under in the next 12 months given the loss of summer events and the first likely student body reduction we've experienced in a decade.

Etc. Etc. Etc. When all is said and done I'm guessing 30-50% of the economic fallout will be sustained because of the voluntary reduction in activity from businesses and consumers. It's probably going to stay ugly for probably another 12-18 months, if not longer.
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Old 05-21-2020, 10:41 AM   #1763 (permalink)
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:07 AM   #1764 (permalink)
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Back to cases in S. Utah. Another day of unpleasant numbers yesterday. Dr Dunn made the below comments on Wednesday, even though the cases were relatively low for that single day.

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The uptick can’t be explained by increased testing, epidemiologist Angela Dunn said.

“We’re asking the community to be a little more diligent in terms of social distancing recommendations and following health guidance,” Dunn said. “There is a potential for a surge in southern Utah at this point.”
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/05/...ounds-warning/
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Old 05-22-2020, 09:21 AM   #1765 (permalink)
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The Verizon store in St George is strong in their efforts, all of them wearing masks and only one person in the store at a time, you have to wait outside until you are escorted in and they had me wear my mask.
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In regards to the large numbers of unemployment, It's my hope that a large portion of American Manufacturing jobs return home in the wake of this pandemic. After a certain point, say, beyond free trade, you can take Globalism and shove it. All it's done is make us dependent on a foreign country that has superpower ambitions, and erode the middle class.

Anyone else remember how many items American made items were in the stores before 1994 or 1995? I do. From water pumps in old trailers, to tape measures, to laundry hampers, we made a lot of goods. All of that stuff is now made in China or Mexico.

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Repatriating more manufacturing could be immensely beneficial in many ways but do you think Americans are willing to end their addiction to cheap consumer products?

I fear it would be a hard sell especially as inflation (likely) and recession affect millions of household budgets.
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Repatriating more manufacturing could be immensely beneficial in many ways but do you think Americans are willing to end their addiction to cheap consumer products?

I fear it would be a hard sell especially as inflation (likely) and recession affect millions of household budgets.
Good question. I have no answer. It's a multifaceted problem, that extends to quality of merchandise and loss of trade skill. Our manufacturing and trade knowledge is one reason why we won WW2. If a war broke out today with China, would we be able to do it again? American products used to be synonymous with quality. I've a number of items I bought back in the early 90's that were made in USA, and are still working/functional today.

Today's American products? not so much. Loss of trade knowledge is something i'm familiar with, and is something people should pay more attention to. For example, Take any canned product off your pantry shelf. Canned vegetable, to a can of coke. You know there are machines that were made here that sealed the lid on that can? They spit out hundreds, or thousands of cans a minute. Ever in the past open a can of coke and notice a very slight film on the top? It's an edible, non toxic oil from the sealing process. My father used to make the machines that would do this work - from scratch. Parts and all that started from solid blocks of aluminum or steel. From working in parts to assembly, he did it all since the early 70's.

Globalism has since caught up with the company he worked for. It was bought out by a larger conglomerate. What was the first thing they did? They replaced all the master craftsman, machinists of 30 plus years of experience, and replaced them with multiple positions of low skill. I call it the "people as cogs" way of doing things.

Guess what? He ended up being the last of the mohicans. This conglomerate was, up until the point of his retirement, flying him accross the country every two weeks, because he was the only one who could fix things when they went wrong. A whole crew of low skilled labor, and what they couldn't fix in two weeks, my dad can fix in two hours. So bad is the situation, he told them without meaning to sound bold, "If i can't fix it, it can't be fixed." His exact words. Sad, but that is the reality of the situation. What's also really sad, is that this knowledge, is NOT being passed along. There are no journeyman or apprentices learning from him. He's officially retired now, and they are STILL trying to bringing him across the country to fix broken crap they just no longer have the skill to fix. He's the only one that can do it.

I see this as the tip of the iceberg in American Industry. We're going to have to get over cheap Chinese made goods, or in the long term, we are going down historical drain of failed nations. Fiat currency, and printing money like it's nothing isn't doing us any good either. Stimulus checks indeed. Since 1992, I think the dollar has lost well over half its value. Sooner or later, the dollar is going to be as worthless as a freaking peso, or are those worth more now? LOL

On a side note, didn't WW2 have something to do with bringing us out of the great depression?
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Old 05-22-2020, 08:47 PM   #1769 (permalink)
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Repatriating more manufacturing could be immensely beneficial in many ways but do you think Americans are willing to end their addiction to cheap consumer products?

I fear it would be a hard sell especially as inflation (likely) and recession affect millions of household budgets.
My grandma has the same solid wood, American crafted dining room table her and my grandpa had my entire life.

Then people got addicted to Ikea and changing decor over and over... and the China craze blossomed and boomed.

Why buy something once when you can buy it over and over again, I guess.
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But we know American made isn't immune from planned obsolescence either. Might actually be trademarked in America.

Nonetheless, we'd benefit from repatriating certain key sectors, or the majority of products from them. I'm just hesitant to believe Americans are willing to live with less to increase quality of life. We are a very consumption driven culture, often more so in quantity than quality.

Hard to predict but we do know various manufacturers and groups were sounding bells about risk before this level of dependency happened. We saw it in the PPE sector for years.

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