2020-21 Snowpack

[Vanilla]

Originally Posted by middlefork

Some good reading if anybody is interested.
https://www.fs.fed.us/rangeland-mana...ng/index.shtml

I am interested. What is the cost to acquire a permit? I did not see that on the webpage.

[middlefork]

As I understand it, it is a bid type process by whoever wants the permit. I suppose you can try and find the cost paid to retire the permits in the GSENM although I think there is some requirement to actually use the permit. It is not a fixed amount.

[middlefork]

Google grazing permits for sale. One example below.

http://www.bankersrealtyutah.com/gun...ock-ranch.html

A little more explanation.
http://ranchingtruth.org/what-is-a-grazing-allotment

[taxidermist]

And yeah all that grazing on the Nebo sure helped things when it went up in flames in 2018 they graze the hell out of it and that helped reduce that fire devastation by a whole 0%


The Nebo fire in 2018 was a total joke the way the Feds went about "controlling" it!! I know the real story on that before it turned into a blaze from He!!. If you remember, someone lost their job over that. I was on horse back helping a Cattleman friend when the SNAG that was hit by lightening was smoldering. I could say more...but I'll leave that hot poker alone!!

[MooseMeat]

Originally Posted by taxidermist

And yeah all that grazing on the Nebo sure helped things when it went up in flames in 2018 they graze the hell out of it and that helped reduce that fire devastation by a whole 0%


The Nebo fire in 2018 was a total joke the way the Feds went about "controlling" it!! I know the real story on that before it turned into a blaze from He!!. If you remember, someone lost their job over that. I was on horse back helping a Cattleman friend when the SNAG that was hit by lightening was smoldering. I could say more...but I'll leave that hot poker alone!!

I know the whole story as well. It’s not a secret. Losing their job and being forced to resign/retire are two very different things. Early retirement doesn’t sound too bad considering what should have happened to them.

Anyways, had the grazing done what you are claiming it does to reduce fires, you should have seen that tactic pay off in some way in that fire. In no way did anyone see grazing that place for years down to nothing, pay off. It’s just another one of those made up “benefits” that we are supposedly seeing from public mooching, uh, I mean grazing.

[Vanilla]

I hope more water comes to our hills or there won’t be anything for these poor cows to eat.

Snowpack totals still suck.

[MooseMeat]

Originally Posted by Vanilla

I hope more water comes to our hills or there won’t be anything for these poor cows to eat.

Snowpack totals still suck.

Gives a whole new meaning to Black Lives Matter! Haha

[taxidermist]

Originally Posted by Vanilla

I hope more water comes to our hills or there won’t be anything for these poor cows to eat.

Snowpack totals still suck.

Sad thing is the feed in the winter range is thin now. Without some weather, we'll be seeing rib bones on the wildlife this year. Oceanic temperatures are playing hell on the weather patterns. Even has the whales all messed up.

[PBH]

All this talk of the cost of grazing permits makes me think about the Bundy's, and ranchers in Piute county.


I'm not so sure that the cost of grazing is that big of a deal to many.

[middlefork]

Well we could always throw in water shares into the discussion.

One thing about the weather, everyone can complain about it because nobody can do anything about it.