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Old 12-23-2020, 10:19 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Not exactly a small shot across the bow on Tuesday. I foresee serious escalation in SE Utah.

Phil Lyman getting a pardon?
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:20 AM   #132 (permalink)
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At least he already did his jail time and paid off the fine. He's been pardoned, but he'll always be a POS.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:50 AM   #133 (permalink)
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Not exactly a small shot across the bow on Tuesday. I foresee serious escalation in SE Utah.

Phil Lyman getting a pardon?
Yep. It adds fuel to multiple fires in that region. I think that region will be an indicator for how various camps proceed in the months and years ahead.
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Old 12-23-2020, 12:23 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Yep. It adds fuel to multiple fires in that region. I think that region will be an indicator for how various camps proceed in the months and years ahead.

Yeah, it won't help things, for sure. Rep. Lyman already has plenty of fire in his belly for hyperbole though. He was one of the guys nodding in agreement with the "Herbert is Hitler" meme for the Governors temerity to put in place some covid health restrictions. Since Noel retired, he apparently ascended to the throne of most outrageous legislator from the 435.
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Old 01-12-2021, 08:18 PM   #135 (permalink)
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With Bidenís Interior Secretary pick, i very much expect the boundaries of GS and BE to be returned to original boundaries. The local tribe in the area and a few councils supporting it, and the Native American voice in the area supporting it, Iíd very much expect it. Donít be surprised if it isnít solidified through congress as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...cretary-biden/
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Old 01-13-2021, 07:50 AM   #136 (permalink)
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With Bidenís Interior Secretary pick, i very much expect the boundaries of GS and BE to be returned to original boundaries. The local tribe in the area and a few councils supporting it, and the Native American voice in the area supporting it, Iíd very much expect it. Donít be surprised if it isnít solidified through congress as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...cretary-biden/
We have lots of work ahead, obliterating all of Trump's "legacy". Such as it is. This was just one example of his destructive policies, hopefully to be reversed soon.
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Old 01-19-2021, 11:15 PM   #137 (permalink)
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I've been reading about the executive orders Biden will be signing tomorrow, but haven't seen any mention of restoring the monuments. I guess the Paris Climate Accord, the Iran nuclear deal, immigration, etc, take precedence, but I'm confident he'll get around to BE and GS fairly soon.
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Old 01-20-2021, 03:09 PM   #138 (permalink)
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For a president that campaigned on unity and spoke openly today about being all in on unifying people, it would sure cut against that to immediately dive into a very divisive issue like monuments.

Wouldnít be the first time a politician lied about their intentions, but Iím hoping for better on this one. There will be an appropriate time and place for that discussion down the road, I believe. I donít think it is on his top priority list, however.
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It definitely doesn't need to be in the first 100 days. Only time will tell but I haven't seen a hearing list yet and I can't imagine the Dept. of Interior is the most critical right now as there is a window for individuals to be in the "acting" designation temporarily.

May cooler heads prevail.
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For a president that campaigned on unity and spoke openly today about being all in on unifying people, it would sure cut against that to immediately dive into a very divisive issue like monuments.

Wouldn’t be the first time a politician lied about their intentions, but I’m hoping for better on this one. There will be an appropriate time and place for that discussion down the road, I believe. I don’t think it is on his top priority list, however.
Well, unity is nice. But reversing Trump's capricious and vindictive actions shouldn't be deferred in the name of "unity". The reductions were unjustified and a slap in the face to many in the region. Even the Grand County commission has changed its tune and now supports restoring the monuments. Doing so would not make Biden a "liar", V, that assertion is ridiculous:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/01/...d-county-asks/

Unity doesn't demand meeting people half way; I feel no obligation to compromise with conspiracy theorists. Fully 70% of Republican voters don't trust the results of the last election, despite the fact that it was one of the most secure in history:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...ion-was-secure.

I reckon there are likely a few "Stop The Steal" folks on this forum, maybe even some Qanon believers. There can be no unity if people don't believe in truth and facts, and those who deal in lies cannot expect sympathy from those who do not.
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