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Old 10-21-2020, 10:25 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I think there's some confusion here about how public range facilities are built and funded. I'm familiar with several rifle and archery ranges in the state. With the exception of PMAA, every one of them started with a private citizen or NGO. Funding for ranges then comes from a variety of earmarked state and federal budgets and grants. But the point I want to make is that most ranges couldn't operate without donations and volunteers.

People love to bag on Lee Kay, but I think it's a good example of what government By the People should look like. Much of the excavation that's taken place there has been donated - the dirt, the equipment and the operators. A lot of the improvements have been built by DH and other volunteers, often with donated equipment and materials. MDF and others have donated sizeable amounts of money to Lee Kay and the range runs on a shoestring budget. Most of the range masters and other personnel are volunteers. A half-dozen NGO's make regular use of the facility.

FWIW, I think such partnership between private citizens and government should be appreciated and commended.
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Old 10-21-2020, 12:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Personally I donít see the issue. We go to Morgan Range and we love it. Go to Weber County Shooters indoor range and itís a great range. Can pretty much shoot anywhere I want on BLM or Forest land. A lot better than I had it back home.


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Old 10-21-2020, 01:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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So im curious as I agree we have it better than say some back east. But for ranges in northern utah does any of them have upto 600 yard areas? Or is the Price range the only one? It sounds like most people are just wishing there was another Price type range up further north. Id love that personally but way easier to wish than to be done I guess.
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Old 10-21-2020, 02:41 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Three Mile Creek in Perry... I've never been there but they have steel targets out to 1000 yards... hours seen a bit limited though...
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:27 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Three Mile Creek in Perry... I've never been there but they have steel targets out to 1000 yards... hours seen a bit limited though...

Three Mile Creek is nice, but when they are open they fill up quick and lots of guys stay there for a looooong time. Pretty sure they close before the youth duck hunt starts though as to not have lead flying over the waterfowlers out in the marsh.


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Old 10-21-2020, 07:45 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Lee Kay is a joke and beauracratic nightmare to any serious shotgun shooter be it Skeet, Trap or 5Stand.

In the past year the Shotgun Facility has morphed from a friendly place to go and shoot among friends of a common bond to a highly over regulated military operation lorded over by Micro managers who ARE NOT SHOOTERS, have not shot any of the 3 venues and even when invited to join and do so refuse.

Yet, these select Autocrats set ridicules high handed mandates and "rules" contrary to long proven good practice, common sportsmanship, and best business practices. To wit:

1. Shooters waiting for a field to be available are not allowed to leave and go down to the ranges to observe (and possibly observe and learn something) until released to do so by the managers.

2. Managers, without the consent or approval of any shooter can and will assign shooter into a "squad" of their choosing to shoot together. This often is without regard to whom you came with and planned to shoot with, the individual proficiency of any shooter, or the any known proficancy in discipline rules of conduct or safety practices. A professional grade shooter can be unknowingly teamed with some newcomers to the sport and nobody has fun.

3. perhaps the most egregious and overall unrealistic and disturbing "Rule" is the repulsive "One Hour" rule.
That is from the time you park you car your group "Squad" has but one hour total to get organized, pay for your round, all of you to shoot 25 rounds on 8 different stations, pick up your hulls, and surrender the field. If your not finished with that round...too bad. You lose. If your just starting a round...too bad. You lose and Management Wii insist that you leave PERIOD,

If you want to shoot some more, go back to the center and get in line again.

The absurdity of all this is that there are four (4) skeet fields and over a dozen strap fields. Different shooters shoot at different speeds. Even in the worst of times, and no difference if it is a 9AM or a 10AM opening, by 11:30 or 12:00 worst the place is all but bare with but one or two field at most being used with nobody waiting.

Prior to 12 some months ago and the coming of the autocratic and under informed non-shooters arrival as "Management" there were no issues of this nature. Shooters as Managers identified with fellow shooters and Visa versa. Everybody was on the same team,
The serious shooters were the gold standard and a positive component to the Center.

Now the serious shooters are disgusted at the Management and left for friendlier facilities. Most if not all current shotgun shooters strongly dislike the current unnecessary, punitive rules and environment and only come as a last resort.

As was said at the beginning, "This place is a joke". The public. deserves and needs better. Fix it or shut it down.
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Old 10-21-2020, 08:14 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm on a job at a chicken food plant in Lyndel Utah. 14 miles north from Delta. The Delta shooting range is a nice, clean place to shoot'
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Old 10-21-2020, 10:33 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I shot two rounds of skeet this afternoon at Wasatch Wing and Clay.
Clean, welcoming, roosters running around the grounds.
Fantastic!
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Old 10-22-2020, 09:28 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Wow Daddylglegs I have not shot at Lee Kay for years. I will say that we experience just the opposite at the state run Cache Valley public range in Logan. Very friendly and helpful staff. We shot there just last night. While shooting, one of the staff was observing and teasing us in a friendly manner. It probably cost me a bird as I was laughing hard at one point. During the round same staff member made several very helpful suggestions to my son and even had him finish the round shooting his very expensive personal shotgun. We went from the trap range to the 5 stand range and the same staffer asked if he could shoot with us. We obviously welcomed him and again enjoyed his suggestions at how to shoot certain combos which increased our overall scores. We are all experienced shooters but I have also taken many inexperienced shooters to this range and had great experiences. The staff frequently can be seen mentoring and helping inexperienced shooters. I can only assume the management at Lee Kay is operating under their own misguided rules, I agree if it is as bad as you say they should shutdown or fix Lee Kay. It is a bit of a drive but give Logan a try. We always have a great time shooting there. I will go ahead and give names as I hope the state reads this and recognizes how much we shooters appreciate the shotgun staff at Logan. Earl and JR you guys are awesome thanks for always making our experience enjoyable.
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Old 10-22-2020, 03:24 PM   #30 (permalink)
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response to SX3: Thanks for your input. I have absolutely no doubt that what you say and that your recent experience is exactly as you indicate it was.

That was pretty much how it was too at Lee Kay until the new "Management" at Lee Kay came in literally "off the street" with zippo shooting credentials but a bucket load of "new" ideas and plans.

We too had great repour with the then managers. Helped countless newer or less experienced shooters in their shooting. Invited them to shoot with us and learn. Made any number of friends in doing so that come back for more.....or did until recently. We were de facto guardians of the fields while preaching safety along with good sportsmanship practice along with shooting technique for success.

never was a new shooter or any other random shooter denied an invitation to shoot with us if we had an opening on our 5 man squad. In fact, many times one or two of the original squad would "sit out a round or two specifically to let these random shooters in.

There was never a problem of not getting to shoot at any time. Just show up. If all 4 fields were busy (rare event), either wait a few minutes for one to clear out, or if you seen an under manned squad if you could join, then do so.

In all my years shooting there NEVER did we not let some one in to shoot with us and never did I see anybody else refuse! In the busiest of times it was but only a short wait. Much less than you'd experience at almost any eatery in town. It was a NON issue.

If it is not broke, don't fix it. Yet they have tried even after seeing it work well since Lee Kay opened 40 years ago. Go Figure!

Amazingly enough, the head dog at Lee Kay now and who allows this disaster in public service to continue, is no other than the former Division boss of your facility in Cashe Vally, and yes, complaints to him have been rendered, yet he allows it to continue unabraided.
Again, Go Figure.

Lastly, this, and I'm sure yours is too, is only open 1-1/2 days a week. How can Salt Lake County, comprising a population of well over a million taxpayers be remotely served by the DWR at Lee Kay in a multi purpose expensive facility over all of the LEASED Remington Arms huge acreage in only 1-1/2 days a week?
Can we all spell "Pathetic"?
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