[GBell]

C'mon TS at least be man enough and answer
The deer management question I asked??

Which unit will have bigger bucks??

The unit where the majority of bucks are killed
By hunters at under 18 months of age or
The unit managed for 5.5 year old bucks ??

TS you are aware the books and Vernon
Are managed by buck to doe ratio
And not age class like the Henry's right??

Kay, Black and Geist. Idiots every one.

 

[GBell]

One last question then I'll start another thread
For further discussion.

TS and Random are you in favor of 3 or 4
Point or better hunt strategies?

 

[ridgetop]

One last question then I'll start another thread
For further discussion.

TS and Random are you in favor of 3 or 4
Point or better hunt strategies?

I'm not.
Also, please start a new thread with a clear mission statement.;-)

 

[MadHunter]

TS, the Vernon is right down the road. Big bucks.

The Book Cliffs another perfect example. The unit
Was so bad it was closed. Now it's severely limited
And GROWS big bucks. Because they are not
Killed as two points.

Again myself and the three biologists are
Dead wrong, right??

FYI..... the vernon area and the book cliffs will never grow the size of bucks you see in the henrie's. The GENETICS are just not there. The vernon and the books dont have monster bucks. they have big bucks.

 

[Critter]

FYI..... the vernon area and the book cliffs will never grow the size of bucks you see in the henrie's. The GENETICS are just not there. The vernon and the books dont have monster bucks. they have big bucks.

To tell you the truth I have actually seen a bigger buck on the Book Cliffs than I ever did hunting the Henries but I will say that the Henries has a lot more of them.

I hunted both units while they were general season tags and there were big bucks on both but that largest buck that I saw in the Books was in 2002 while elk hunting.

 

[hamernhonkers]

Just a question for you guys that are fighting over the quality of the bucks and genetics, How dose the Henneries of today compare to the Paunsaugunt of the late 80's and early 90's say up to 1993?

I seem to remember the Paunsaugunt being the greatest trophy unit in the world for mule deer at one time but I am wondering what changed on it or what is it about the Henneries now that make it so much better the then gaunt now?

 

[GBell]

^^^management scheme^^^

One is managed by age class one by buck to doe
Ratio.

But I'm wrong cause a 20 month old genetically
Superior buck is always bigger than a buck with
Average genetics that reaches 5.5 years of age.

 

[derekp1999]

...are you in favor of 3 or 4 point or better hunt strategies?

UGHH! :roll::roll::roll:

I'm exhausted with this back and forth... arguing that any one factor (genetics, age, condition) is more important is ludicrous. All three are required to achieve what is seen on the Henry's. Remove or reduce any one of those factors and you get exactly what we have in the other units throughout the state. Remove genetics and the result is what you see in many of the LE units, remove age and the result is what you see in many of the general units, and conditions are deteriorating throughout the state so this may actually be the least important variable to the argument.

Nothing more than a couple guys in a pissing match with the rest of us trying to keep our shoes & pantlegs dry.

 

[RandomElk16]

UGHH! :roll::roll::roll:

I'm exhausted with this back and forth... arguing that any one factor (genetics, age, condition) is more important is ludicrous. All three are required to achieve what is seen on the Henry's. Remove or reduce any one of those factors and you get exactly what we have in the other units throughout the state. Remove genetics and the result is what you see in many of the LE units, remove age and the result is what you see in many of the general units, and conditions are deteriorating throughout the state so this may actually be the least important variable to the argument.

Nothing more than a couple guys in a pissing match with the rest of us trying to keep our shoes & pantlegs dry.

So you can complain about it and jump into it at the same time? Makes a lot of sense.

Gbell cut out the comments. We all said all of them mattered and you have said genetics don't exist and age is the only factor. That and an article about rams where you threw the idea out that monster bucks don't rut. You are seriously lacking knowledge on the issue and need to cut it out. I have mentioned several times to move on, so you are only making yourself look worse.

Troll city.

 

[derekp1999]

So you can complain about it and jump into it at the same time? Makes a lot of sense.

I guess so, I figured that since my pantlegs were already splattered upon that I'd at least get a few drips of my own in.

 

[GBell]

I didn't write the article Random.

Pile up the laundry boys. Looks like I'm
Doing a bit of washing.

End all points.

Carry on I'm done.

 

[5pointbull]

I love hunting elk, and would relish to hunt a LE tag again someday, but if this point creep think is as bad as it looks, perhaps they should make LE Elk an official once in a lifetime hunt if the hunter is successful in taking a bull, and a 10 year waiting period for hunters unsuccessful. Everyone who puts in should have the shot at one of these elk tags at some point especially residents. This would eliminate a lot of lower redound point holders out of the pool, though very likely not to happen and piss them off. It's just a thought, thought I would share it, but I'm no means religious about it.

 

[derekp1999]

Certain units are definitely OIAL (Pahvant, San Juan, Monroe, Beaver, etc.). I think guys know exactly what they are getting themselves in for (or at least with a little education come to that realization) when they apply for one of those top tier units.
There are a number of units that can be had with lower points and have a much lower rate of point creep that can still result in an enjoyable and memorable experience.