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Old 07-23-2020, 12:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What are you even trying to solve with these though?


Preparing us all for what it could be like in the years to come. With more applicants, population growth, less habitat = less animals = less tags = larger point creep and agitated sportsman/women.


I know this topic is a hair brain, sh!t for brains, stupid, dumb, you name it idea, but I honestly believe its not far off when its going to take 30 points to draw a OIL, LE tag. Probably 5 points for a deer tag and 10 points for a cow elk tag.


RandomElk, thanks for the points! I'll put them to good use
You aren't wrong about the growing problem. The thing is - you can't bandaid the current structure in any way shape or form to stop that.


It's either let points grow or tear the whole system down. These make-shift fixes are making it worse.
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Old 07-23-2020, 12:11 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I will submit one more reason. Family unity.
Can you imagine the intrafamily fight that will take place for who gets dearly departed grandpas high number of OIL and/or LE points? Some of those squabbles would end up in those "true crime" shows on network TV.
THIS!!!! I have personally had to break up and mediate serious arguments over the "Mentor" issue. Grandpa let "Johnny" shoot the bull and the rest of the family is UPSET! This has happened multiple times with different families in my shop. (I'll add this didn't happen with my family)

I have seen the looks on the faces of the kids who didn't get "Mentored". (notice the plurals) One kid is beaming and many kids are bummed.

And at least 20+ times I have had to talk families thru their "who should grandpa or dad Mentor" issue. I tell them all the same thing- Grandpa or Dad should shoot the animal with everyone there and celebrate as a group. Think back to memories of our own Fathers or Gpas on a successful hunt- those are all great memories for me.

Catherder's words are more true than most could imagine. I have seen it personally. First hand witnessed how it can rip apart or put a wedge in even the strongest families. (not all of course, but far too many)

Ok- I'll hop off my soapbox with a hard no on passing along or selling points.

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Old 07-23-2020, 12:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The whole problem is the expectations of individuals, not the system. Everyone is hesitant to change, myself included. Albeit the only constant in life is change. If the new normal is more people, less tags, and longer lines - well I guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles. It seems we all signed up to play the tag game under the same rules, yet when we don't like the outcome, perceived or actual, the first response is to whine and demand a change.

There is a world of hunting opportunities out there for folks who are willing to put in a little more time and effort - these opportunities take planning and budgeting.
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Old 07-23-2020, 12:29 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Everyone wants to rob opportunity huh?

So while I wait 20 years for a bull hunt - I can't hunt a cow or anybull?


Makes zero sense. Want to hunt LE deer? You can never hunt a general unit again.
Not taking away any opportunity. If you want to hunt elk, go hunt elk but make a decision on what you want to hunt and commit yourself to it.
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Old 07-23-2020, 12:36 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Not taking away any opportunity. If you want to hunt elk, go hunt elk but make a decision on what you want to hunt and commit yourself to it.
It is taking opportunity now you can hunt both (2) and you want to go to one (1)

Everyone should be able to see going from 2 to 1 is a decrease.

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Old 07-23-2020, 12:44 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It is taking opportunity now you can hunt both (2) and you want to go to one (1)

Everyone should be able to see going from 2 to 1 is a decrease.

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Old 07-23-2020, 12:46 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I just docked taxidermist 15 cred points.
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The problem that people are not admitting is that there are only so many deer and elk in the state and that the numbers of hunters are increasing. So where do you draw the line?

Already people are waiting 5+ years for a cow tag and 15+ years for a LE bull tag, so are they only hunting cows every 5 or so years? How about the spike or any bull tags. There are only 30,000 of them let out, how many hunters want to hunt them but are not able to purchase a tag?

Everyone complains about point creep but very few want to do anything about it.
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Old 07-23-2020, 02:06 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I just docked taxidermist 15 cred points.
Heís gotta be in the negatives by now
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The problem that people are not admitting is that there are only so many deer and elk in the state and that the numbers of hunters are increasing. So where do you draw the line?

Already people are waiting 5+ years for a cow tag and 15+ years for a LE bull tag, so are they only hunting cows every 5 or so years? How about the spike or any bull tags. There are only 30,000 of them let out, how many hunters want to hunt them but are not able to purchase a tag?

Everyone complains about point creep but very few want to do anything about it.
If you wanted an OTC utah elk tag bad enough this year, you had the opportunity to buy one. Spikes were still available as of yesterday. Donít paint doom and gloom when thatís not the real situation
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