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Old 06-26-2020, 12:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Or there's another option: make friends with a sheep/goat outfitter and be a packer/grunt and get to do everything about a sheep/goat hunt except pull the trigger multiple times. You might get lucky and break even on your personal costs depending on tips.
I had a friend who did exactly this to get his stone and dall sheep.

He worked for a company where he could take quite a bit of time off so he worked for a couple of outfitters with the idea that he didn't want any cash but to work towards a couple of sheep hunts. I have no idea of how long that he worked for the two outfitters but he eventually was able to get his dall and stone sheep to go towards his grand slam.

And to tick people off he drew his desert bighorn tag the first year that he put in for it in Utah. He was that lucky. He also drew a goat tag in Colorado the first year that they offered that tag to a non resident.
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Old 06-26-2020, 01:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Nope, it's a free for all. NR just pay NR tag fees. The hunts are on a quota and once the quota is met, the hunt shuts down. The rams are not big and the competition is fierce, but if you want to sheep hunt, you could do it every year on these MT hunts. As has been said, they are not for the faint of heart as the terrain is brutal.
Generally, odds of drawing bighorn tags are about as worse as they come. Interestingly enough, the absolute worst draw odds species in Utah is bull moose for quite some time now. With odds for Shiras tags being downright reasonable in some Idaho units, I'm not sure I understand that one, but people gonna people.

As for sheep, unless you can guarantee that you'll live and be physically able to sheep until a couple decades longer than all of the young teenagers that already have a point or two under their belts forget ever being guaranteed to draw a sheep tag anywhere in the L48. Pretty sure your odds of winning enough $ in a lottery to buy a sheep tag at auction might actually be better than getting the sheep tag in a draw starting at 0 points.

The MT unlimited hunts require the ram to be at least 3/4 curl, and while some sheep are taken most years it is not unusual for guys to spend the first 2-3 years hunting the unlimited areas before they even see a sheep--let alone a ram, or a legal ram.

Rocky Mountain Bighorn hunts (guided with tag) can be had in parts of Canada for $40-60k. You can occasionally find some of the less desirable bighorn tags on the auction block for a similar price, and then hire an outfitter for $5-10k on top of that.

Free range Desert Bighorn in Mexico can sometimes be found on a cancellation under $50k, but $60-70k is typical.

Stone Sheep hunt prices have about doubled over the past decade. Currently, reputable outfitters for Stone Sheep run $40-50k.

Dall Sheep can usually be found with a reputable outfit (Alaska, Yukon, or NWT) right around $20k. Sometimes $15k on a cancellation. If it looks like a crazy good deal...well, think about the word "crazy" some more.

As for goats...well, that is a very different story. Routinely I come across offers from very reputable guides in good areas (BC and Alaska) where the hunt cost will be ~$6-8k. In the past 3 years I have seen three offers at or just below $5k for cancellation hunts or where a great guide is exploring a new area of his concession in BC (that hunter ended up killing one of the largest billies killed anywhere in 10 years). Of course, add licensing travel etc. beyond that and the ~$10k quote is probably pretty close. I actually think with COVID-19, there might be some really attractively priced offers for last minute short notice goat hunts (maybe dall sheep too) if you are willing to roll the dice. For example, I know of a baited interior grizzly hunt in AK with an excellent guide that just got offered and snatched up for under $6k (normally a $12k hunt)!

Or you move to Alaska, establish residency after 12 months, and can then hunt dall sheep and up to 2 goats each year OTC with almost all of the species' licenses included with your $60 hunting/fishing combo license.



Or there's another option: make friends with a sheep/goat outfitter and be a packer/grunt and get to do everything about a sheep/goat hunt except pull the trigger multiple times. You might get lucky and break even on your personal costs depending on tips.
Wow. I can't imagine being able to put away enough money for one of these before I'm decrepit and feeble.

My amended plans are-

1. Convince my wife to move to Alaska instead of Idaho, since after our honeymoon I decided that's my dream state anyway
2. Do the OTC hunts in MT a few times
3. Apply to my state's lottery annually and try to forget that I'll likely never get to go!

I do like that idea on working for an outfitter for awhile. Getting the experience is good enough for me. Although, I would like to know what they taste like.
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There are some interesting and very doable options for sheep ewe tags in neighboring states. I hunted one in Colorado last year and had an epic trip.

Sure, I didn't get a full curl of massive horns, but I drew in 4 years (some draw sooner), got a pretty good taste of the sheep hunting experience, and ended up with a tasty trophy with horns bigger than any mountain goat I've ever seen. Might be something to think about. You're welcome to send a PM with any questions.
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Old 06-26-2020, 05:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
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There are some interesting and very doable options for sheep ewe tags in neighboring states. I hunted one in Colorado last year and had an epic trip.

Sure, I didn't get a full curl of massive horns, but I drew in 4 years (some draw sooner), got a pretty good taste of the sheep hunting experience, and ended up with a tasty trophy with horns bigger than any mountain goat I've ever seen. Might be something to think about. You're welcome to send a PM with any questions.
Yes! I don't care if it's ram or ewe. I figured everybody I was referring to both sexes as far as likelihood of drawing tags. I definitely applied to the new big Horn you hunt in the antlerless draw for Utah!

I'll start looking into the you hunts and let you know when I have some questions.
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Yes! I don't care if it's ram or ewe. I figured everybody I was referring to both sexes as far as likelihood of drawing tags. I definitely applied to the new big Horn you hunt in the antlerless draw for Utah!

I'll start looking into the you hunts and let you know when I have some questions.
My comments were based on the (incorrect) assumption that you were interested in only a ram. Like Clarq said, ewe tags can be had much more quickly in draws than ram tags
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I had a friend who did exactly this to get his stone and dall sheep.

He worked for a company where he could take quite a bit of time off so he worked for a couple of outfitters with the idea that he didn't want any cash but to work towards a couple of sheep hunts. I have no idea of how long that he worked for the two outfitters but he eventually was able to get his dall and stone sheep to go towards his grand slam.

And to tick people off he drew his desert bighorn tag the first year that he put in for it in Utah. He was that lucky. He also drew a goat tag in Colorado the first year that they offered that tag to a non resident.
Good for your friend!! I love hearing of awesome success story's like this!! I'd like to meet him and shake his hand. Maybe some luck would rub off.
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I asked him one time about the type of glue that he put onto his applications or how much extra cash he attached to it but he wouldn't tell.

Sadly he passed away several years ago

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I have the lady killer philosophy regarding OIL species. I drew a nanny mountain goat tag with 6 points back in 2010 (most with that amount of points did back then) and I was in on the ground floor for cow moose and drew that tag in 2017. I was pretty torn on my next OIL animal as i figured I could draw a bison cow tag in another ten years but then I figured if I really wanted to hunt them i could buy a res hunt for fairly cheap. So I elected to start putting in for sheep and now I kinda wished I would have done the bison route--oh well. I'm gonna be 80 years old before I draw sheep!
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