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Old 06-14-2009, 08:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Born again I400

This is a updated version of I400, please only reply to this thread and let the others die out.

For areas that currently have spike restrictions:

1) Eliminate or reduce spike-only restrictions, beginning with 4 or 5 pilot areas. If it becomes more popular, more areas may be introduced. See below for a description of these areas.

2) Sub-divide the larger units such as Wasatch and Manti.

3) Manage these smaller units with herd objectives as well as harvest age objectives. For example, 30 bulls to 100 cows in addition to 5-6 year age harvest objective.

4) Structure the hunting seasons to move the rifle hunt out of the rut.

Proposed hunting seasons:

Controlled Archery: Sept. 1-21
Controlled Muzzleloader Season 1: Sept 26-Oct 4 (same as muzzle deer)
Controlled Muzzleloader Season 2: November 1-9 (same as gen. muzz. elk)
Controlled Rifle Season 1: Oct 6-10
Controlled Rifle Season 2: Oct 13-17
General Antlerless Archery: Aug 23-Sept 14 (same as general archery elk)

5) Require mandatory hunt reporting for I400 tags. Unsucessfull hunters must return their unused tag, Successful hunters require tooth data.

6) Implement a preference point drawing for Controlled tags, separate from the LE drawing. Hunters must choose between the two drawings each year.

7) These new regulations may be phased in over time.

Pilot Program areas:

North Cache
Wasatch (will be divided into 3-6 smaller units)
La Sal
Nebo
Fish Lake

9)Continue to offer general archery tags on the pilot units.

Tag numbers for pilot areas are being worked out, we still need to meet with some organizations in order to determine final #'s!

Wasatch;
248 LE tags issued in 06, 4596 total tags
LE tags under pilot plan TBD

LaSal;
49 LE tags issued in 06, 429 total tags
LE tags under pilot plan TBD

N Cache;
52 LE tags issued in 06, 974 total tags
LE tags under pilot plan TBD

Fish Lake;
94 LE tags issued in 06, 1476 total tags
LE tags under pilot plan

Nebo;
106 LE tags issued in 06, 1169 total tags
LE tags under pilot plan TBD

Wasatch killed 337 spikes and 168 mature bulls in 06
LaSal killed 60 spikes and 35 mature bulls in 06
N Cache killed 126 spikes and 21 mature bulls in 06
Nebo killed 112 spikes and 61 mature bulls in 06
Fish Lake killed 168 spikes and 79 mature bulls in 06

That is 803 spikes killed vs 364 mature bulls just on these five unit units alone.

For areas that will remain LE (premium units)
-No changes were made to this section of the proposal. These changes may be presented in the future, after results from the 2007 LE and management hunts become available.

1) Increase tag numbers significantly, with a proportionally larger number of tags being given to short-range weapons. Our feeling here is that this would make those hunts more enticing, and eliminate some of the competition for rifle tags.

For areas that are currently any-bull:
No changes are currently being proposed for any-bull units.


Additional info:

Under these new regulations, revenue generated from tag sales will remain the same or increase.

These changes seem to be well supported by most hunters in Utah, based on response here on the forum and informal polls. We are making efforts to inform as many people as possible about this initiative. Your help and input is appreciated.

Some of the things we are looking for and still in debate-

1-Waiting period-

AR301 did not have one so I400 will need one tin order to survive. One suggestion was a 2 or 3 year wait however if you do not harvest and return your unused tag, the waiting period would be waived. This is based on a preference point system (currently do on rifle deer)opposed to bonus point system (currently do on LE elk).

2-Archery hunters would be allowed to hunt the pilot programs and have a choice to shoot a cow or a spike. In addition to this we would also issue Muzzle loader permits for antlerless only and rifle permits antlerless only.

3-Tag Allotment-

Currently the tag allotments are 60/25/15, rifle hunters get 60% of the tags and hunt the best part of the rut, archers get 25% of the tags and hunt when it is hot and the rut is not in full swing, muzzys get 15% of the tags and get the rifle leftovers and the tailend of the rut.

Under I400, the tag allotments will be 50/30/20, rifle hunters will get 50% of the tags and hunt after the rut has slowed/stopped, archers will get 30% of the tags and hunt into the heart of the rut, muzzys will get 20% of the tags and get first crack at the elk with noise makers and still have the rut going.

This will lower the success rates for the rifle hunters, push more hunters into the lower success seasons(primitive) and allow for more tags for ALL weapon choices.

Basically None of the plan is set in stone yet except season dates!!!
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A lot of things have not been updated on this one so what do you think, likes and dislikes?
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm for anything that ENDs spike only hunting and issues more mature bull tags.
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One thing I think I do not like is subdivision of units for starters.
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Work a few side jobs, save your money, and hunt Montana!
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Old 06-14-2009, 09:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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are you posting this for pro? at first you say it is a updated verison, then you come back and say a lot things have not been updated? seems to me you need to make up your mind.
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Old 06-14-2009, 09:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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One question. LaSal or Manti LaSal?
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Old 06-14-2009, 09:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
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This is a post I wrote many moons ago, just copied and pasted. My mind is not made up on a lot of things, so take that as you will. No I am not typing this for Pro, I am not his secertary. Pro was not the only one who worked on this. He will be in on the events when he gets time, right now he does not have much, but maybe soon. Have not spoken with him in a few days, but more important have not spoken with him about this in over a year. join, follow along, or ignore, comment as you wish. Talking about I400 is a lot better than doing nothing, rolling over and accepting whatever "they" decside. Not me, I will try.

La Sal, no Manti in the picture.
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What is the reason behind the split rifle?
That time of year having only 4 days to hunt, all it takes is one storm to total shutdown that hunt. Also the DWR has already shown that there is very little difference in hunters days in the field from a 5 day hunt to a 9 day hunt. I believe it was something to the effect of 4.7 vs 4.8 days in the field. Having a 4 day hunt is a raw deal.
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