SFW Solution

[Elkoholic8]

Well stated guys!

Here is my take on the situation; I'm on the last year of my waiting period and I don't think I want to try and get back into this rediculous game again. I think I will save my money and go hunt Idaho every 3-4 years for a branch antlered bull and hunt spikes here in the meantime to keep the freezer full. Idaho's archery seasons are waaaaaay more hunter friendly that Utah's. Unless someone could convert Don Peay to be an archer.....hmm, think of that possibility, we would be able to hunt elk all September and the rifle guys would get the heat of the summer.
Anyway, Utah's once in a lifetime elk hunts are not for me anymore, good luck guys!

[TopofUtahArcher]

Well stated guys!

Here is my take on the situation; I'm on the last year of my waiting period and I don't think I want to try and get back into this rediculous game again. I think I will save my money and go hunt Idaho every 3-4 years for a branch antlered bull and hunt spikes here in the meantime to keep the freezer full. Idaho's archery seasons are waaaaaay more hunter friendly that Utah's. Unless someone could convert Don Peay to be an archer.....hmm, think of that possibility, we would be able to hunt elk all September and the rifle guys would get the heat of the summer.
Anyway, Utah's once in a lifetime elk hunts are not for me anymore, good luck guys!

Elkoholic, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't ever talk about hunting with a bow and Idaho ever again!!!

As for your idea of going north every 3-4 years, that is fine and dandy for now, but what if Don gets his way here after you draw your OIAL elk LE tag... he has chapters of SFW in ID and WY and CO that for now are grass roots... but you know that if he gets his way here, they are next... we have to dig up this weed by its roots before it becomes a plague.

[elk22hunter]

I have a few takes on this subject. Someone mentioned hunting Idaho. Before you go slamming Don and SFW you had better realize who has done more for the wolf fight in Idaho than just about anyone else. I read the latest email about the herd sizes in Idaho and the Wolf devastation just this morning. The numbers are staggering.
Just a thought but what if everyone on here who is complaining about SFW go out and JOIN them. Yes JOIN them. They have always said that they wanted to become an 800 pound gorilla. They have done that. Now who wants to fight an 800 pound gorilla. I certainly don't. But what if you were to add more voices to the big voice that is being sounded. They already have the foot in the door. You will need to become a 900 pound Gorilla to take their foot out and insert yours in. Why not go to the source and say, we have many others who want their voices heard as well and you guys seem to have the microphone so how about seeing a few things our way. Seems a lot smarter than complaining and getting nothing done...........................Sometimes I even amaze myself!

[Treehugnhuntr]

I read the latest email about the herd sizes in Idaho and the Wolf devastation just this morning. The numbers are staggering.

Brought to you by those who NEED this to be true.

They have always said that they wanted to become an 800 pound gorilla. They have done that.

Yep, and who knows where the gorilla is going to **** next....

They already have the foot in the door.

Door? They are closing many doors that they once claimed to be opening.

Maybe once upon a time, when this was all a fairy tale. Now the fairy tale has come true, only the ogre is winning by deception, politics and brute force.

You're a bible guy 22, why didn't David just buddy up to Goliath and add a hundred pounds to that gorilla??????

[elk22hunter]

I read the latest email about the herd sizes in Idaho and the Wolf devastation just this morning. The numbers are staggering.

Brought to you by those who NEED this to be true. Oh Please!

They have always said that they wanted to become an 800 pound gorilla. They have done that.

Yep, and knows where the gorilla is going to **** next....

They already have the foot in the door.

Door? They are closing many doors that they once claimed to be opening.

Maybe once upon a time, when this was all a fairy tale. Now the fairy tale has come true, only the ogre is winning by deception, politics and brute force.

Your a bible guy 22, why didn't David just buddy up to Goliath and add a hundred pounds to that gorilla??????

You had better get a bigger sling! I didn't say that you are going to add 100 pounds that that Gorrilla but it's going to take a Gorilla that is bigger than thiers. I am not trying to back them up. I am simply coming up with ideas for a better solution.

[HunterGeek]

Thanks for the explanations WasatchOutdoors and everyone else. I think I better understand the issue now. As for SFW and Don Peay, if I were him/them, I'd be paying attention to my base of support and monitor forums like this for a sense of how things were going. For that matter, I might even join in the discussions to defend my organization's actions. Then again, their absence from places like this seem to speak something about whose opinions he most values and the crowd that really matters to them.

[BPturkeys]

..... Those who are older, or who have been playing the game longer know they will eventually get their tag, and they don't give a rat's butt about the rest of those in the game. In fact, they want you to willingly delay getting a tag so that they are more likely to kill a B&C bull. It is the very definition of elitism/selfishness.

Pro... You are just wrong when you say this!!! and as an older hunter I am offended by that statement. Most older hunters want most of all a return to the days when the hunt was a family affair. The day when very very few people could even tell you what the words "400 pt bull" made reference to. A day when all public property was open to all hunters. The whole idea of LE hunts and their establishment has been the down fall of the very tradition of hunting that we, the older hunter you are calling selfish and elitist, are longing for.
Do you think it is just a coincidence that hunting interest has declined steadily ever since LE was adopted? Do you really think that going out and blasting a huge trophy animal is what sent us old timers into the field year after year? If you think that is the case...Pro, you don't even have a clue.

[proutdoors]

..... Those who are older, or who have been playing the game longer know they will eventually get their tag, and they don't give a rat's butt about the rest of those in the game. In fact, they want you to willingly delay getting a tag so that they are more likely to kill a B&C bull. It is the very definition of elitism/selfishness.

Pro... You are just wrong when you say this!!! and as an older hunter I am offended by that statement. Most older hunters want most of all a return to the days when the hunt was a family affair. The day when very very few people could even tell you what the words "400 pt bull" made reference to. A day when all public property was open to all hunters. The whole idea of LE hunts and their establishment has been the down fall of the very tradition of hunting that we, the older hunter you are calling selfish and elitist, are longing for.
Do you think it is just a coincidence that hunting interest has declined steadily ever since LE was adopted? Do you really think that going out and blasting a huge trophy animal is what sent us old timers into the field year after year? If you think that is the case...Pro, you don't even have a clue.

You're killing me BP, try and read the DAMN posts before piping off. This is about the LE scheme as those who are in the point pools. When I referred to the older hunters that are in favor of this, I was CLEARLY referring to the older hunters in the LIMITED ENTRY pool. If you read ANY of my post over the last week you would know where I stand on this issue, yet you come after me and make attacks based on bogus conclusions. Maybe you just are having a bad day, or you are just hell bent on picking a fight with me, but either way your post is beyond weird.

[proutdoors]

I have a few takes on this subject. Someone mentioned hunting Idaho. Before you go slamming Don and SFW you had better realize who has done more for the wolf fight in Idaho than just about anyone else. I read the latest email about the herd sizes in Idaho and the Wolf devastation just this morning. The numbers are staggering.
Just a thought but what if everyone on here who is complaining about SFW go out and JOIN them. Yes JOIN them. They have always said that they wanted to become an 800 pound gorilla. They have done that. Now who wants to fight an 800 pound gorilla. I certainly don't. But what if you were to add more voices to the big voice that is being sounded. They already have the foot in the door. You will need to become a 900 pound Gorilla to take their foot out and insert yours in. Why not go to the source and say, we have many others who want their voices heard as well and you guys seem to have the microphone so how about seeing a few things our way. Seems a lot smarter than complaining and getting nothing done...........................Sometimes I even amaze myself!

The end does NOT justify the means, and doing some good with doing lots of damage does NOT warrant a blanket endorsement, at least not in my humble opinion. While I do appreciate the fight SFW is putting up on the wolf issue, that doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want to get the weaponry to fight that fight. What I mean is, what good is it to fight the wolf issue so the wolves don't kill all the elk if the average hunter can't kill them either?

As for fighting/replacing the 800# gorilla, I have no desire to replace it with another group that will morph into the same gorilla only with a uglier face. Instead, I propose we shackle the ape and tell the Wildlife Board to start managing our wildlife based on the good of the animals first and the good of the hunters second, ALL the hunters not just the ones with the best lobbyists.

[stablebuck]

What I mean is, what good is it to fight the wolf issue so the wolves don't kill all th eelk if the average hunter can't kill them either?

EXACTAMUNDO!!!