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Old 04-02-2017, 12:09 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I have worked in gas n oil for over 45 years and worked for a big pipeline company 30 years of that.

As a "Company Man" I sat in many a permitting meeting with the Feds; BLM, FS, Bureau of Rec, Army Corps of Engineers, FWS, others, and the USGS and Coast Guard for offshore work. Gawd, then there's all the State agencies......

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Old 04-02-2017, 06:33 PM   #22 (permalink)
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TU, who you referenced, begs to differ.

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Old 04-02-2017, 08:26 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I said they were involved pre 2.0. Nothing said on their position.
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Old 04-02-2017, 08:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I said they were involved pre 2.0. Nothing said on their position.
You certainly implied that because they were involved before, it means that the old/current plan was just fine. They think it could be better.

I don't think everything's going to fall apart, but if we can improve on an antiquated planning process, why not do it? Too late now, I suppose.

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Old 04-02-2017, 10:33 PM   #25 (permalink)
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It just seems that 2.0 was an attempt to balance the inputs from ranchers and extraction industries with feedback from the general public; hunters, fishermen, hikers, skiers, etc. Why should industry types have more say over our public lands than the public? Whose lands are they, anyway?
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You certainly implied that because they were involved before, it means that the old/current plan was just fine. They think it could be better.

I don't think everything's going to fall apart, but if we can improve on an antiquated planning process, why not do it? Too late now, I suppose.

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Implied nothing. Just stated a fact they have been involved pre 2.0

Here's a Poster Child 2.0 group. http://www.hcn.org/issues/46.22/non-...-sal-mountains

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Old 04-03-2017, 09:49 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Implied nothing. Just stated a fact they have been involved pre 2.0

Here's a Poster Child 2.0 group. http://www.hcn.org/issues/46.22/non-...-sal-mountains

Good Do Gooders; Doing Good for Goodness Sake!
I gotta say, I'm with the botanists on this one. Having degrees in Biology and Cell Physiology, I can see the value of protecting native species. Plus, I don't think we need goats on every mountain range. If they were once native to an area, I would support reintroduction. Introducing non-native species often has unintended consequences, as in this case. This also raises the philosophical issue of whether game species should be managed as a crop, ie, to maximize yield. This appears to be the division's approach here. Not really sold on that idea, either.

Is there something wrong with doing good now? Is it better to do bad, like roll back environmental protections, sell off our public lands, etc? I'm getting confused.
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TU is also a poster child 2.0 group, along with TRCP and other groups who do a whole lot of actual good for sportsmen and the environment. I think I'll become a do gooder if they're part of it. Thanks for the motivation and substance as always.

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Implied nothing. Just stated a fact they have been involved pre 2.0

Here's a Poster Child 2.0 group. http://www.hcn.org/issues/46.22/non-...-sal-mountains

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It seems like I've seen that link somewhere else recently.
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Old 04-03-2017, 10:27 PM   #30 (permalink)
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It seems like I've seen that link somewhere else recently.
Yep I plagiarized to make a point. I'd ask paddler how he feels about pheasants, chukars, brown trout, turkeys, brook trout, bass, catfish, buffalo or other non-native critters we chase or catch but I'm going to bed and then out of town.

2.0 fans could form alliance with the Do Gooders to stop F/G from managing for opportunity. Would be great to go back to only Cuts, Deer, Elk, Grouse.

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