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Old 04-15-2017, 04:00 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I was not in favor of the monument but Bishops PLI was terrible and IMO forced the monument designation.

Dallen I would be interested in your opinion of what areas could be reduced and by how much.

As far as I can tell from the maps the boundary follows easily defined parameters using mostly roads and ridgelines much like the hunting proclamations. And having visited a great part of it I can see the difficulty of trying to protect the artifacts and ruins that are all over that area.
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Old 04-16-2017, 07:50 AM   #22 (permalink)
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It's funny that the Bears Ears situation has become the poster child for the public lands issue. Outdoor Retailer used it as its facade, and people have taken it hook, line, and sinker.

The alternative to designating the national monument was NOT state control. It was simply leaving it as it was, in control of federal agencies. No matter how many times the Outdoor Retailer Association or anyone else tells you that we lose public access if the monument is rescinded (or never designated, for that matter), it doesn't make it true.

Here is the reality: the law is not clear on if a president can rescind a national monument. But what is clear is congress could if it wanted to. What is also clear is that states will NEVER gain control of federal lands without the consent of congress. Utah and everyone else can sue, and will lose. Period. If congress wants public lands in states' hands, they can even make that happen with Bears Ears. They can change the designation and/or the law as they see fit. I share that simply to correct this belief that President Obama's action somehow saved us from losing public access to this area in favor of the states selling it. Nothing has changed in that realm, as acts of congress will be needed regardless.

I'm in an interesting situation here: I love public lands and will continue to fight for them. But I fundamentally disagree with unilateral executive action on national monuments. It's way too much power to give one individual, especially considering the vastness of these designations.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:24 AM   #23 (permalink)
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It's funny that the Bears Ears situation has become the poster child for the public lands issue. Outdoor Retailer used it as its facade, and people have taken it hook, line, and sinker.

The alternative to designating the national monument was NOT state control. It was simply leaving it as it was, in control of federal agencies. No matter how many times the Outdoor Retailer Association or anyone else tells you that we lose public access if the monument is rescinded (or never designated, for that matter), it doesn't make it true.

Here is the reality: the law is not clear on if a president can rescind a national monument. But what is clear is congress could if it wanted to. What is also clear is that states will NEVER gain control of federal lands without the consent of congress. Utah and everyone else can sue, and will lose. Period. If congress wants public lands in states' hands, they can even make that happen with Bears Ears. They can change the designation and/or the law as they see fit. I share that simply to correct this belief that President Obama's action somehow saved us from losing public access to this area in favor of the states selling it. Nothing has changed in that realm, as acts of congress will be needed regardless.

I'm in an interesting situation here: I love public lands and will continue to fight for them. But I fundamentally disagree with unilateral executive action on national monuments. It's way too much power to give one individual, especially considering the vastness of these designations.
Bears Ears is complicated. It can be seen as an alternative to Bishop's PLI, ie, encouraging extraction or encouraging conservation and protection. Given Bishop's history as a puppet for oil and gas exploiters, I believe the monument is the better choice. I also disagree that the Antiquities Act places too much power in the hands of the president. Just look at the list of our NMs, are there many you disagree with? How many of them wouldn't be protected if left to local control or Congress? Think Grand Canyon, for example, or, more recently, Bears Ears. Now, some have been abolished or redesignated, but always for a rational reason. Trying to eliminate President Obama's legacy is not a rational or valid reason.

https://www.nps.gov/archeology/sites.../abolished.htm
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Old 04-16-2017, 02:16 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I disagree with every national monument created only by executive action. It has nothing to do with President Obama. But if his legacy hangs on overuse of executive powers, we'll, then....aaaah, nevermind.

Just like the only alternative to Bears Ears designation was not state ownership, the alternative was also NOT Bishop's plan. (Which I don't like) Fear mongering at its best is all that is.
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