Why are they illegal in utah?
I was just wondering why they are illegal even for the rifle.fixed blade said:I'm curious as to why you would want to use one. I'm not trying to be a jerk, just curious. :|
idk how much a bow has but a xbow hits with almost 100 ftpounds of energy, and x bow targets are a lot more dense so that the bolt dont go throughfixed blade said:From what I've seen they are about the same speed as a compound and shoot a smaller arrow. So it would have less kinetic energy.
Uuuum, this statement is FALSE. They don't hit hard because there is no mass in front of all that speed. They shoot a little knitting needle of a projectile that looses extreme amounts of momentum going down range because of it's lack of mass. Therefore crossbows actually have less effective killing range than a compound or even a traditional bow. They are fast, and accurate. That's all! They are LOUD, they are heavy, and they require that you walk around with a ****ed, loaded bow where you're NOT the one holding the weight of the bow back. (this is what our state has a problem with as far as legality) If they were legal, and I'm glad they're not, I think they would be lumped in with the muzzy people as far as a season goes.flyfisher117 said:because they shoot very fast and hit very hard so the poor people using bows have to compete with you
Bingo! They are far less effective than a compound bow. Less energy and you are very limited on distance as they lose energy very fast for the very reasons Tex pointed out.TEX-O-BOB said:Uuuum, this statement is FALSE. They don't hit hard because there is no mass in front of all that speed. They shoot a little knitting needle of a projectile that looses extreme amounts of momentum going down range because of it's lack of mass. Therefore crossbows actually have less effective killing range than a compound or even a traditional bow. They are fast, and accurate. That's all! They are LOUD, they are heavy, and they require that you walk around with a ****ed, loaded bow where you're NOT the one holding the weight of the bow back. (this is what our state has a problem with as far as legality) If they were legal, and I'm glad they're not, I think they would be lumped in with the muzzy people as far as a season goes.flyfisher117 said:because they shoot very fast and hit very hard so the poor people using bows have to compete with you
Can someone please explain how they lose energy/momentum fast? Last I checked energy AND momentum are conserved. The difference in energy loss (its actually energy transfer to vibrations, heat, etc) between an arrow and a crossbow bolt are negligible. I would dare say that they lose energy at exactly the same rate.bwhntr said:Bingo! They are far less effective than a compound bow. Less energy and you are very limited on distance as they lose energy very fast for the very reasons Tex pointed out.TEX-O-BOB said:Uuuum, this statement is FALSE. They don't hit hard because there is no mass in front of all that speed. They shoot a little knitting needle of a projectile that looses extreme amounts of momentum going down range because of it's lack of mass. Therefore crossbows actually have less effective killing range than a compound or even a traditional bow. They are fast, and accurate. That's all! They are LOUD, they are heavy, and they require that you walk around with a ****ed, loaded bow where you're NOT the one holding the weight of the bow back. (this is what our state has a problem with as far as legality) If they were legal, and I'm glad they're not, I think they would be lumped in with the muzzy people as far as a season goes.flyfisher117 said:because they shoot very fast and hit very hard so the poor people using bows have to compete with you
Well and the fact that they are just plain ****.they require that you walk around with a ****ed, loaded bow where you're NOT the one holding the weight of the bow back.
I knew I'd get Mr. scientist math genius out sooner or later...Can someone please explain how they lose energy/momentum fast? Last I checked energy AND momentum are conserved. The difference in energy loss (its actually energy transfer to vibrations, heat, etc) between an arrow and a crossbow bolt are negligible. I would dare say that they lose energy at exactly the same rate.
Which was a direct response to these two:MEEN said:Can someone please explain how they lose energy/momentum fast?
TEX-O-BOB said:They shoot a little knitting needle of a projectile that looses extreme amounts of momentum going down range because of it's lack of mass.
That is complete BS without any glue needed. Which is what I pointed out with this statement:bwhntr said:Less energy and you are very limited on distance as they lose energy very fast for the very reasons Tex pointed out.
MEEN said:Last I checked energy AND momentum are conserved. The difference in energy loss (its actually energy transfer to vibrations, heat, etc) between an arrow and a crossbow bolt are negligible. I would dare say that they lose energy at exactly the same rate.
I never said that. They have different energy, no doubt about it. What I will say is that they will retain energy at the same rate.TEX-O-BOB said:Your saying a crossbow bolt that weighs 300 grains will retain just as much energy as an arrow that weighs 580 grains 50 yards down range?
No but some hippie lettuce would be nice.TEX-O-BOB said:Have you been into the glue again!
Everything! How do you think energy is lost from an arrow once it is shot? Energy is stored in the bow limbs and then transferred to the arrow once it is shot. Once that arrow is released from the bow it is traveling with an initial kinetic energy and initial momentum. That arrow will ALWAYS be traveling at the same KE/momentum because energy loss to heat/vibration is negligible unless it is shot uphill. At which point kinetic energy is converted to potential energy. Which by the way, your heavy arrow will lose MORE energy. PE = Mass*gravity*heightTEX-O-BOB said:And who said anything about vibration and heat? What the hell does that have to do with anything?
no!! we are not stopping we are going to get a good straight forward answer!! i want to know the truth!! the the lies ive been fed! **O**katorade said:K thanks I got my info you can stop now.
Thanks
rofl where did you get this pic?swbuckmaster said:I believe the old ones had less KE but the new ones that are pushing 425 grn arrows close to 400 fps like some one else said is plenty of KE for any North American animal.
However the only guys you see totn the cross bows at the ranges look like this.
:shock:
So that is why they are banned in Utah!!
Also as far as accuracy they suck. I have watched them in Vegas a couple of times and they are lucky to hit the target butt at twenty yards. these guys are also shooting the ones that look like a tweeked out target rifle.
Its about time someone posted up a back shot of TEXswbuckmaster said:I believe the old ones had less KE but the new ones that are pushing 425 grn arrows close to 400 fps like some one else said is plenty of KE for any North American animal.
However the only guys you see totn the cross bows at the ranges look like this.
:shock:
So that is why they are banned in Utah!!
Also as far as accuracy they suck. I have watched them in Vegas a couple of times and they are lucky to hit the target butt at twenty yards. these guys are also shooting the ones that look like a tweeked out target rifle.
It was at a cross-rifle shoot the other day. It was in fact Tex he scored a 200 on a Vegas round and took first place. His prize wasn't so good though cause they only had two guys and one girl in the competition so all he received was a coupon good for one glass of muscle milk. Which he downed in three seconds. His front photo with his milt mustache "rolf,lol" will be on the cover of cross-rifle issue 24.flyfisher117 said:rofl where did you get this pic?swbuckmaster said:I believe the old ones had less KE but the new ones that are pushing 425 grn arrows close to 400 fps like some one else said is plenty of KE for any North American animal.
However the only guys you see totn the cross bows at the ranges look like this.
:shock:
So that is why they are banned in Utah!!
Also as far as accuracy they suck. I have watched them in Vegas a couple of times and they are lucky to hit the target butt at twenty yards. these guys are also shooting the ones that look like a tweeked out target rifle.